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End-for-End vs. Dip-Pole Jibes

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From: Robert Sansome, Assassin Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002
Subject: End-for-End vs. Dip-Pole Jibes

I would be very interested in hearing peoples' opinions on moving to End-for-End Jibes? Who actually does this today, whether they have a regular or extended pole, and whether they are using a carbon or aluminum pole? Is this manageable with a Soverel sized spinnaker in a reasonable breeze, or am I better off sticking with the Dip-Pole Jibes?


From: Paul Jeka, Santana Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002
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RE: End-for-End vs. Dip-Pole Jibes

Carbon Pole Yes...End for end of course ......Extended pole to class rule limits yes.....Go For it !


From: Jerry Kedziora, Zot Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002
Subject: RE: End-for-End vs. Dip-Pole Jibes

On Zot our pole is the same as our J [12.75']. The boat was originally set up for dip pole jibing. We changed to "end for end" and it goes a lot faster (better).


From: Peter d'Anjou, x-Gryphon Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002
Subject: RE: End-for-End vs. Dip-Pole Jibes

We end-for-end on my boat and use lazy sheets and guys to a single clip on the clew, saving weight but still allowing you to clip in without the sheet being under pressure ($500 from Layline).


From: Bill Heintz, Deviation Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002
Subject: RE: End-for-End vs. Dip-Pole Jibes

Deviation uses a 14' Carbon Fiber pole and end-for-ends with single sheets. We have done this in up to 25 kts (we don't usually get more than this on Long Island Sound) Whacko ditto, but uses double sheets and guys, which in heavier air is a bit easier on the foredeck crew.


From: Dave McClatchy, Let's Dance Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002
Subject: RE: End-for-End vs. Dip-Pole Jibes

I have been using end for end on many boats now including a tall rig Peterson 34 and most recently on my last boat, a Shock 35. I certainly that's it's doable on my recently purchased Soverel which has a 14' aluminum pole. In heavy air it is very comforting to use lazy guys though not absolutely necessary.


From: Mark Yancey, Manhattan Magic Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2002
Subject: RE: End-for-End vs. Dip-Pole Jibes

WE are planning on a new carbon pole, I think from Hall and End-for-End is the only way to go w/ double sheets and guys.


From: Jerry Kedziora, Zot Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2002
Subject: RE: End-for-End vs. Dip-Pole Jibes

We end for end on ZOT with single sheets and tweakers. We have jibed in up to 30 knots though I had to change my shorts after one of them.


From: John Bodden, Hawk Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2002
Subject: RE: End-for-End vs. Dip-Pole Jibes

End-for-End pole jibes are always faster and easier, and I have never considered the conditions to be a determining factor. Anyone with a dingy racing background will be familiar with it, and I have worked end-for-end jibes on every type of boat that I have raced on up to 35 footers. Just above this length is where I find the corresponding weight of the spinnaker pole usually makes a dip-pole jibe easier.

Skippers don't like to have any weight up on the bow as it slows the boat down. This is especially true in a boat as light as the Soverel 33, and is the major reason that I would not consider a dip-pole jibe. If you have experienced problems with end-for-end jibes, the most common cause I have found for this is the pole downhaul being too tight. Assign someone the task of uncleating the downhaul (or easing about 18 inches if you think there is a chance of the pole "skying" in heavy air conditions) during the jibe and to tension it back as soon as the person at the mast yells "made" or whatever expression they may care to use as soon as the pole is again clipped to the mast ring. During the entire sequence, only one person is forward of the mast for a very short period, and then by not more than a couple of feet.

I usually assign the lightest member of my crew to do all work forward of the mast, but in winds over 20 knots its OK to use a bigger and stronger person for the brief period it takes to jibe the pole.


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